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    Not too difficult.

    The work of Picasso isnt art, because Picasso was in complete control of his paintbrush and in a final canvas he decides what it is that the oserver see's.

    Shakespeares plays arent art because Shakespeare wrote each word and decided what order they would be in.

    Bach's compositions arent art because Musicians play the peices and control what you hear....

    um, like it or not chance a film director is an artist, because they impose their will (and vision) to make it happen.
    Whether they are anygood or not depends on the finished product.

    Art isnt just about interpretation.

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    How is the directors choice of what goes on screen (or the producers, or editors, etc.) ANY different from what a painter decided to paint, a sculpter to sculpt, a composer to compose, and so on and so forth?

    That's what art is, isn't it? You produce something, then you put it out there for people to appreciate.

    Or am I missing something?


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    Art; noun.

    Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

    The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
    The study of these activities.
    The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
    High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
    A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
    A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

    A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
    A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.

    Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
    Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: ?Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice? (Joyce Carol Oates).

    arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
    Artful contrivance; cunning.
    Printing. Illustrative material.

    From Dictionary.com

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    Disagree (eddie not Jb's reply havent read that yet)

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    Take the above picture, Now I'dont know who that man is, i dont know what has happened to his ship, i can only presume that he was on a ship. If this was in a gallery i could walk up to the picture at stare at the lighthouse in the distance for half and hour. i could walk to the other end of the gallery and look at the picture as a whole, or i could walk up to the side of the canvas and look diagonally up across. i have the freedom to view it how i like, i can take in as much or as little detail. I could close one eye, make a circle with my fist and view the picture that way. I can also choose the order of what bits of the picture i want to look at and how long i spend looking at each bit, as for interpreting it, i can interpret it as will, there is no other information availiable apart from the painting , and maybe a title. I am free to explore it, interpret it at leisure and pace.

    Film all the decisions have been made for you, what you see, how long you look at something and the story (unless its a brukheimer film) is there for you. A good picture is like a prison cell it captures you and you spend your time examning it looking for a way out. The viewer has no control over what they see. To repeat the director has already made those decisions for you. Film is a collaboration of devices no more no less.

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    and replying to JB,

    Filmmaking is a art , but a film is not art.

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    No, a film is art. Filmaking is a science.


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    From your own definitions above
    Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
    Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: ?Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice? (Joyce Carol Oates).
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So filmmaking is a art.

    Just for the record I am a turncoat on the film,few years back i was in this camp
    http://www.hostboard.com/cgi-bin/ult...c&f=410&t=3440

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    Number A: Those are not my definitions. (See source quoted at bottom of post)

    Thirdly: There is such a thing as "The art of the filmmaker." However, the process of making a film is a science. Since, (this is gonna make some peoples blood boil!) art and science are inserperable parts of the same whole, filmmaking is BOTH an art and a science. But, I believe (and this is just one guy talking here) that it is a shade more science than art.


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    <font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ December 10, 2004 08:42 AM: Message edited by: jb_617 ]</font>

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    Your your saying "art and science are inserperable parts of the same whole" but how can that have any weight behind it when you don;t seem to know what art is ?

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    I don't know what science is either, but that doesn't stop me running around calling myself a scientist.

    It's a journey people, not a destination.


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    did you just editted your above post ?

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